This is the first
time a western journalist interviews a man that holds such a high rank in the
Taliban organisation. Up to this moment Talibans always used spokesmen and
official messages to communicate with the world. Why have you now decided to
accept an interview with a foreign journalist?
Iím having this interview now because mullah Omarís
assistant told me: ďYou can have this interview to make the world know the
truth about the TalibansĒ.
What is your position
and your role in the Taliban organisation?
I organise the Talibans for the holy war, by inviting people
to join the jihad and by sending them to the war with the americans. In
particular I organize the shaheeds
(suicide bombers). We actually have a list of 300 people ready to become
suicide bombers: they freely choose to do it, they come to us and we just give
them explosive belts and jackets in order to kill as many americans as they
The use of suicide
bombers is new for Afghanistan: many people say it is the result of al Qeadaís
instructors coming from Iraq. Is it true? Who are this shaheeds?
The shaheeds are not al Qaeda's, they are not coming from
outside, they are afghan people. I know them all, and I know they all are
afghan people who want to take a revenge against Americans for all the
suffering they have caused, for the killings and the humiliations. For example,
Us soldiers break in peopleís houses for controls, they stay there for hours,
they also rape afghan women. People see these things, listen about these things
and they donít want it! So they come to us spontaneously and we help them.
What is your opinion
about the present situation in Afghanistan and Karzaiís government?
The government of Afghanistan is not Karzaiís government,
because Karzai doesnít have the rule over Afghanistan. Karzai is only a puppet
in US hands, the megaphone of the americans: everything the americans say, he
repeats it like a loudspeaker to the afghan people. The parliament too, for
example, is composed only by people who are friends with the americans. Karzai's
government controls only urban centers. Outside the cities, in the villages, in
the mountains, in the desert, we talibans have the control. Here we rule, we
decide, we solve peopleís problems. Here people come to us if they have a
problem, nobody goes to the government.
Therefore you are
saying that you Talibans and your jihad against the americans and the afghan
government still has support from afghan people? Donít you think that after
almost 30 years of war the afghans are tired of fighting and want only to live
Afghan people are tired of wars started by invaders. They
are tired of being bombed by american B-52, of having their villages and homes
occupied by the US Army. It's because they are tired of it that they are ready
to fight. Afghan people are with us, not with Karzaiís government! Even if many
donít want to say it openly, this is the reality.
Is there any space
for negotiations with Karzaiís government and United States?
We are not the ones who started this war. We were in our
houses, in our country and the americans came to remove us and to impose their
rule. We are just defending ourselves, we have the right and the duty to defend
our houses and our country. If somebody entered your house like this, what
would you do? Wouldnít you defend your house?
We donít want the americans to come and occupy islamic
countries like Afghanistan. We donít want these Ďkufrí, infidels, in our
country. They just have to leave.
Last year we noticed
a growth and an extention in your military activity, and now we see that the
americans are withdrawing thousands of soldiers from Afghanistan, where they
will be replaced by 4,000 British, Canadians and other NATO soldiers. What is
your opinion on it?
We grow stronger day after day, because day after day people
are supporting the talibans. We are fighting the americans very hard,
inflicting them a lot of casualties, much more than they declare.
Thatís why they donít want to stay longer in southern
Afghanistan and they are withdrawing their troops. Americans are leaving
because they are afraid of us.
For us nothing will change with the arrival of the british, or of others. It will be the
same with every foreign army coming to our country: we will start the jihad
against them! May be the British have forgotten the lesson we afghans gave them
120 years ago.
And what about the
Italian military presence in Kabul and Herat?
As the Quran says, it doesn't matter whoever comes to
Afghanistan, if they don't want Islam. There is no difference if they are americans
or italians: we fight the jihad against them. But the italians coming to
Afghanistan without guns, for purely humanitarian reasons, these people for us
donít represent a problem, because they are here to help our people. They are
not our enemies, unlike italian soldiers helping Americans.
In Afghanistan many
civilians have been killed in the talibansí attacks. Do you think that the use
of terrorism against civilians is legitimate? Isnít it against the Prophetís
wish and the Quran?
These are all lies! They always say that civilians are
killed in talibanís attacks, but this is not true. Those killed are always
afghan soldiers or policemen or afghan traitors working for the americans or
for the government. But they want to hide their casualties in order to say that
those killed are civilians. We donít want to kill normal people: we plant bombs
only where americans and Karzaiís soldiers are, but if beside them there are
civilians, it can sometimes happen that also normal people die.
The opium trade business,
and the money coming from it, are regarded as the main financial source of
taliban jihad. Is it true?
No, it is not true that talibans finance themselves with
opium money. It's the Americans and Karzaiís government that want the opium
now. I know that Karzaiís brother, Ahmad Wali, is a businessman of the opium
trade that sends opium to the border, but there are other examples of how the
afghan government is involved in opium business. Why didn't the americans close
that business? They say that it's not possible, that it's a big problem, but it
would be so easy for them! They simply donít want to stop it. Why?
The Us government and
Karzai blame the pakistani secret services (Isi) fort giving shelter to the
talibans, acting as a 'de facto' backline. They are also accused of giving
military support to your guerrilla.
I donít know, I live in Afghanistan, I donít know about
Pakistan. But why now people say that Pakistan is helping talibans? Everybody
knows that when americans started the war in Afghanistan, Pakistan was the
first country to give bases for their airplanes. Pakistan also imprisoned hundreds
of people, and handed them over to the afghan government and to the americans,
saying that they were membres of al Qaeda. Pakistan is not supporting talibans!
How is it possible
that in four years the americans have not been able to catch, to capture mullah
Mullah Omar is Amir-ul-Mominin, chief of all the Islam
people: it is not possible to find him because people are helping him. We have
a lot of safe havens in Afghanistan and a lot of people is ready to die to
defend the Amir-ul-Mominin, to avoid him being imprisoned by the americans.
They offered big rewards for his capture, nevertheless nobody has been able to
Letís talk about the
very starting point: 9/11 attacks on Wtc. What is your opinion about it?
In the towers only normal people, civilians have died. Osama
didnít to want to kill normal people: he wanted to kill Bush and the people of
the Us government. But none of them have been killed in the Wtc. That attack
was Bushís job, Us government job. They did it with computer-guided airplanes.
They did it to have a good excuse to go to war against Afghanistan, Iraq and
all other Islamic countries.
So, do you consider the
US intervention in Afghanistan not a retaliation for 9/11 but a previously
Americans came to Afghanistan only to get close to China,
Iran and to oil and gas rich former Soviet republics. They told they came here
to help Afghan people, but they have neither rebuilt what they destroyed during
What is your opinion
about that time, about the Taliban government, in particular about what shocked
the western world, such as the public executions, the treatment of women? Shoud
you ever regain power, would you change anything?
No. We are proud of what we did when we were in power in
Afghanistan. We did the right things. When weíll be back in power in Kabul we
will be proud to re-establish the same rules, the good rules of Quran, rules
that have been existing for 1.400 years. Lapidations, cutting the hands of
thieves: these public punishments are very effective to prevent crimes because
people see what happen to criminals and donít do the same. Women? We respected
womensí rights according to the Quran rule: what the Quarn tells about women,
that's what we did.
At that time, Afghans were happy. Only the americans were upset about it
because they donít want Islamic rules.